Josh, Pro?

[VoicedOpinion]

Ok I feel that something needs to be said about this and I feel that I have the right to voice my opinion. I have been a member of this site for nearly a year now but I can only imagine that my profile will be slated and probably banned for mentioning this so I have decided to post this under a new account.

Onto the main issue

Firstly, I don’t mean to cause any offence by this and I admit that Josh Perez is a better skateboarder than me but then he has been skating for what, 5 years I have only been going for just under 2 years. This doesn’t take away the fact that I don’t think he is, at all, good enough to be a pro.

Now I am not saying that he isn’t good enough to be sponsored, because he is, and there is now doubt that he has put a lot of effort into FIGHT, but recently with the whole turning pro thing, well I think that that is a bit over the top.

I mean in the Blueprint video “Lost and Found” Neil Smith switch varial heelfilped a double 3 set and switch heelfilped a triple 3 set, Mikey Wright switch backside heelfliped a 10 set and both were only am’s, at least at the time the film was made. Ok, so maybe this isn’t Josh’s style of skating. Chewy Cannon pulled a 270 nollie to backside tailslide to fakie during his section and again, only am, (at the time the film was made). These where only tricks in the middle of their section and the last video I watch of Josh Perez, “Bullet and a Target”, or something like that (witch was when I first heard about him turning pro) his FINISHING trick was a kickflip backside lipsilde on a barrier. I mean Mikey Wright does this down a 8 set hand rail and again it was only one of his middle tricks. I mean there is a guy down my local skate park that I see every now and again that can switch 360 flip the funbox there and he isn’t even sponcered. I can’t even recall seeing josh pull a switch 360 flip on flat ground.

Ow, and secondly, is it me, or do people suck up to Josh and the whole FIGHT! Skateboard thing. I mean yeah, promote the company that you like but people around hear treat it like is the God of all skateboard companies. Really, do you think buy sucking up they are going to sponsor you.

I know that FIGHT! Skateboards has the right to make whoever they want a pro for their team and that me saying this isn’t going to change the fact that he is turning pro but I felt in such away that I needed to say something.

Sorry for any hurt feelings I caused but I had to give my opinion.

---------------Opinion Voiced---------------

[falloffboy101]

Yes. They do suck up. A LOT! But, I agree with you in some ways and not in others. I don't wanna get in a shitload of trouble so I'm ending my post soon.



Roughly now.

[crazy_dave]

Erm, they can probably just trace your I.P. address. So there gonna know who you you. Unlucky.

I'm currently riding a fight!. I think its a great deck, one of the best i've had and i've been skating around 3 years now. I dont suck up, i'm just generally a nice guy.

[PopwarPunk]

I'm gonna delete this before anyone gets owned...

[Freaky Styley]

Sorry Popwar, I had to respond. :-1:

Hey bro, I feel you have the right to voice your opinion also. Don't understand why you would make a new account for it though. Maybe others will follow suit...get RR to 10,000 members that much quicker. You don't have to worry about being banned and shit for being honest. Just seems like a pussy move to me.

You mention Blueprint (Love em), I don't think I have to point out that FIGHT! isn't as big as company's like Blueprint, Cliché, Flip, Element, Baker etc etc. I hope we will be as big as those guys in a few years, time will tell. Anyways, I believe we are building a solid team for our stature and making pro for FIGHT! will probably be a considerably harder task in the future. I imagine their plan is for me to grow as a skater as the company grows. Either way your right about their right to make whoever they want a pro. Guess you would have felt better about it if I said NO! keep your board and your money! Someone on Ramprage might feel slighted. I know the point your trying to make is that there is alot of skaters out there that are much better than me. True. I would love it if Neil Smith and Mickey Wright skated for FIGHT! But what do you think the chances of that happening are? Shit why don't I just ask Don Nyugen to come on down. Sponsored, Ams, and Pros come in all shapes and sizes and the requirements that dictate such differ from company to company. I'm fairly sure most people can grasp that concept. FIGHT! is not Blueprint. But the Decks are soo sweet aren't they!

In response to what others do on film, I really don't concern myself too much with it, I do what I do, you like it or you don't. If I'm making a clip, I don't really look at the order, I just throw it up there and edit to the music as best I can. I had no idea someone was out there making a list of what I've done and comparing it to others. No switch 360 huh, ok I will get one on film, maybe FIGHT! will add it to my part for whenever we decide to put out a vid. Are you sure you wouldn't rather see a 540 kickflip? I have a mountain of tricks I need to get on film by this summer.. I'm so lazy!

You also mention that you think people suck up to me. I think your confusing sucking up with support. This is Ramprage bro, haven't you seen that we try to help and support each other? I receive email everyday from skaters thanking me for inspiring them to keep skating. To me, that's some powerful shit, and I'm stoked that I could make such a positive impact on these peoples lives. I hope to continue the trend. Also love reading the hate mail to, so if you out there...waiting for the next one. lol

As far as FIGHTS! decision changing, you will be happy to learn that after reading your comments they have FIRED! my ass and sent the boards back to the distributor for destruction. Waste of fine Canadian Maple if you ask me.

No hard feelings though. Peace.

[kaykay]

I think it's cool that Josh is a pro, even cooler that he's on a website and you can talk to him lol

[sk8er6792]

Ok I feel that something needs to be said about this and I feel that I have the right to voice my opinion. I have been a member of this site for nearly a year now but I can only imagine that my profile will be slated and probably banned for mentioning this so I have decided to post this under a new account.

Onto the main issue

Firstly, I don’t mean to cause any offence by this and I admit that Josh Perez is a better skateboarder than me but then he has been skating for what, 5 years I have only been going for just under 2 years. This doesn’t take away the fact that I don’t think he is, at all, good enough to be a pro.

Now I am not saying that he isn’t good enough to be sponsored, because he is, and there is now doubt that he has put a lot of effort into FIGHT, but recently with the whole turning pro thing, well I think that that is a bit over the top.

I mean in the Blueprint video “Lost and Found” Neil Smith switch varial heelfilped a double 3 set and switch heelfilped a triple 3 set, Mikey Wright switch backside heelfliped a 10 set and both were only am’s, at least at the time the film was made. Ok, so maybe this isn’t Josh’s style of skating. Chewy Cannon pulled a 270 nollie to backside tailslide to fakie during his section and again, only am, (at the time the film was made). These where only tricks in the middle of their section and the last video I watch of Josh Perez, “Bullet and a Target”, or something like that (witch was when I first heard about him turning pro) his FINISHING trick was a kickflip backside lipsilde on a barrier. I mean Mikey Wright does this down a 8 set hand rail and again it was only one of his middle tricks. I mean there is a guy down my local skate park that I see every now and again that can switch 360 flip the funbox there and he isn’t even sponcered. I can’t even recall seeing josh pull a switch 360 flip on flat ground.

Ow, and secondly, is it me, or do people suck up to Josh and the whole FIGHT! Skateboard thing. I mean yeah, promote the company that you like but people around hear treat it like is the God of all skateboard companies. Really, do you think buy sucking up they are going to sponsor you.

I know that FIGHT! Skateboards has the right to make whoever they want a pro for their team and that me saying this isn’t going to change the fact that he is turning pro but I felt in such away that I needed to say something.

Sorry for any hurt feelings I caused but I had to give my opinion.

---------------Opinion Voiced---------------

whoever you are, why couldnt you just say what you felt on your normal name... coward :)

[FIGHT!]

^ Yup, Josh, your off the team, I am pouring lighter fluid on your decks now. You suck and should probably just quit skating.

People are not "sucking up" it IS called support.

Opinion, we know where you live and our people are on the way...

[McJesus]

wait so your no longer on fight?

[~FIGHT~]

Josh is a truly inspiring skater (and I'm NOT sucking up ok?) And I don't know how the hell you compared FIGHT! with Blueprint i mean....seriously man...Fight is growing and with it it's riders! I'm a very supportive FIGHT! fan watever...and thats not me sucking up its how I feel ya know!!!!and don't make a new account just to voice your opinion...I mean...if I didn't like something Josh said...I would bring it up to him...don't make new accounts he can just trace your isp or whatever code.


Josh,
540 kickflip shittttt that's crazy bro...great job!!!!!


voiced opinon,
thanks for posting what "you" feel =)



FIGHT! is joking...durf


Kaykay,
it is pretty cool isn't it?

[edward]

you have the right to voice your own opinion, your entitled to your opinion and your not gonna get banned for sayin it (or at least you better not be).

true, josh isn't as good as some others, but fight! isn't as big of a company either. it all comes down to dan's decision, if he feels that josh is good enough and wants to cut him in on the profits then thats up to him, hes the boss. if you got offered to be pro would you turn it down? i know i sure as hell wouldn't. if dan wants josh to be pro then cool, and i'm just stoked for josh and his new pro model.

plus you have to think of it as a marketing thing on dan's part, how many skaters are on here that respect josh and even look up to him? i think fight! will be sellin a couple of more boards just because its got josh's name on it.

he's good, he's young, he's got plenty of time to grow and progess. congrats on your pro model josh!

As far as FIGHTS! decision changing, you will be happy to learn that after reading your comments they have FIRED! my ass and sent the boards back to the distributor for destruction. Waste of fine Canadian Maple if you ask me.

hahahaha

oh and dan i'm on my way over to voicedopinion's house right now...

[just skate dude]

wait is josh really off! o no!!! i know!!!o no!!!!!

[~FIGHT~]

*clears throat* kids these days just don't get sarcasm...

[bob jenkins]

*clears throat* kids these days just don't get sarcasm...
that made me laugh

[~FIGHT~]

yeahhhh I got BOB Jenkins to laugh...I have succeded in life now I can die...

[just skate dude]

^^i was just kidding i knew

[graphix]

i wouldn't say sponsor skaters are pro. i would say pro's are the cream of the crop. the top dogs. when you compete in world wide events and place in the top 20. then you can be called pro. intill then you are only sponsors skaters with a foot in the door to become a pro. others will just have to work harder to be come sponsored or even become pro.

[~FIGHT~]

^^i was just kidding i knew



shhhhhh but that other kid doesn't yet....

[just skate dude]

ok...sorry i didnt know oh no josh is gone!! with a scarcasm look

[~FIGHT~]

OMG whyyyy did he have tooooo go :-11: whhhyyy Dan Whhhyyyyyy







:rolleyes:

[andrewri]

i dont know bout you all but im with the guy who posted this.

i feel like a rebel in my own ways.boo josh even though i dont know who you are or what this kids talking about.

[~FIGHT~]

Hey Andreri...I've notived something, your grammar in voiced opinion is quite good...soooo What the Hell happened!!!!!??????

[McJesus]

shhhhhh but that other kid doesn't yet....

or do I, bitches

[I_Eat_Emo_Kids]

Video parts are not everything.

[mcwattersm]

Topic ladies.

Anyways. I kind of hear you on this one.

I do feal that people suck up to him.
But don't get me wrong, he is a cool guy. He has skill when he skates, and has awesome style. He certainly has the skill to be pro, skating for FIGHT!

Everyone should realize, the coolest guy is obiously me. Even if i got hate mail, i'd be happy.

Lets leave him alone now?

[Snaker]

I love Josh, he's a great guy and a great skater to boot, but I don't know if he can be considered a pro just yet.

But what I really don't understand is why you take offense when a skilled and talented skater gains well-earned recognition.

As for Fight, they're just another company. I'm glad and pretty psyched to see Dan getting off the ground and getting a name for himself here on Ramprage, despite my reign of terror. When he goes multi-national, I can say I was there at the start. And he likes Fear. Another man making his attempts at making a living and giving us a quality product. I have nothing going for, or against, Fight. As far as I've heard, they sell a top-notch deck. Fight will be my next deck I skate, so that I can test for myself what all the hype is about, but until I get any funds, i will have to go on the members' word and assume that they skate great.

[skateblank714]

it was me, im voiced opinion

http://img.lightreading.com/aboutus/frontpage/spartacus.gif

[~FIGHT~]

or do I, bitches


I'm sorry bro...now you probably wanna go cut yourself right?!...JK bro :-3:

[Sk8 Shorty's]

yeah i think that there are some people in RR that suck up to him, but anyway I think Josh is cool, and is an excellent skater, he deserves Pro.

[tom1121]

Same with me, Josh is cool, and a good skater too, but like others i dont think hes at pro leevl yet, but he definently has the potential and heart.

[FIGHT!]

ohh, and really Josh is not "Pro"

A "Pro" skater would entaile he was making a living from it, he most definatly is not and neither am I.

We're not in this for the $ and niether is he. It a sick board and it say Perez on it, whatever arrangement we have come to, is what works for all of us.

All we want to do is rule the world, is that too much to ask?

[WakeBake&Skate]

All we want to do is rule the world, is that too much to ask?
lol dont we all wish we could just ask for it :-2:

[edward]

All we want to do is rule the world, is that too much to ask?
i think that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

i'm still gonna call josh pro, its just sounds cooler that way. i'll have to remember to get an autograph if i meet him :D .

[Batman]

Bah...I watched his Bullet And A Target video, and props. That shit is crazy, and even cooler considering that he's only a year older than me.

[McJesus]

if you think people suck up to josh go to sbc and see slapdown, i got banned for pwning him too much

[360degrees]

Josh is definately at LEAST in the top 3 skaters on this forum.. and BOY does he deserve the sponsorship and pro status, have any of you seen the amount of work he has put into his videos?, the FIGHT website? and THIS very forum?

He has helped out an up and coming company and has done it INCREDIBLY succesfully.

MAYBE, just MAYBE he isnt as good as some other big companies but he's 16, and he's not Ryan Sheckler, nor shall he be anytime soon but BOY do I love his videos, he travles his ass off just to get footage, by his OWN means of transport, unlike these 'pro's' who get everything done for them so they can focus their talents more.

I'm not saying he deserves pro status for his abilities on a board, but i think he deserves it because he is one helpful, stylish and generally nice, mofo!

He is a pro and deserves it... But VoicedOpinion, I would probably take you more seriously if you had the guts to stay on your origional profile. But some good points were made both ways.

[Mrock]

Do what you love..worry about yourself. I think people read into things too much. My $.02

[Mr.42]

Don't call off the "sucking up" theory just yet, buckoo.

I've been talking to people on AIM that go here, and they've personally told me that they've been sucking up to get a free deck and cause they're hoping to be sponsored.

I just wanted to share that little fact with you. SOME people actually do suck up, but yeah I think MOST people are just supportive.




I think it's weird how FIGHT! seems like the official company of Ramprage now.

You can't say anything bad about it without worrying about getting banned, and there have been so many FIGHT! threads, it doesn't seem right.


I think it's cool that Dan is doing well with his fresh company, but I'm sure there are other members with their own skate teams and companies. And what happens when they make a thread about their crap? It gets classified as spam and is deleted.







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Anyway, in response to the original topic: I think that Perez is well talented, and I don't think Dan is really gonna kick him off the team just because a man with no name doesn't like him being pro.

[crazy_dave]

^Yeah when i think of Fight! it reminds me of RR. Just cause its pretty much the companies birthplace. I still remember the first post Dan made. Good times, good times.

[FIGHT!]

How many of those other, small co's here have given RR members sponsorships, free decks, stickers, shirts, discounts ect?

Even Steve has a Warbird.

We are trusted here for good reason, and noone has any reason to talk shit about us.

[mcwattersm]

Hold up.
Noones talking any shit. Opinions, and thoughts right?

[Sk8 Shorty's]

exactly, Josh is cool the FIGHT team is cool, they belonge together, its a perfect fit for Josh, and someday he'll be pro and someday he'll be even more known.

[FIGHT!]

Hold up.
Noones talking any shit. Opinions, and thoughts right?

I didnt say anyone was dude.

[edward]

I still remember the first post Dan made. Good times, good times.

mmhmm man that was back in the day! haha. he sounded just like all of those others that say they're starting their own company and stuff and wanted to sponsor some kids. only dan was for real, unlike most of the others. i think thats why fight! is so well liked on here, hes legit.

[skaterat]

Sucking up is what your little brother does to get you to let him hang out with you and your friends.

I've always been very impressed with the amount of support that does happen on this site, the way skating should be. I'll also always give extra support to our homegrown compnies such as Dans, he's in it for all the right reasons as compared to the conglomorates.

As for Josh, pro, not pro. I don't care. He's a cool dude with good skills who was fortunate enough to hook up with a company willing to back him. More power to ya bro. Best of Luck!

Too many of our young skaters today seem to have lost touch with what skating is all about. Getting sponsored, getting your own models, turning pro is all good, but I truly hope that's not the reason any of you started skating. It's all about a good time, if more good things come your way, Bonus.

Now Get Out And Grind Damnit!!!

[edward]

^^ yeah, what he said.

[I_Eat_Emo_Kids]

if you think people suck up to josh go to sbc and see slapdown, i got banned for pwning him too much

Hahahaaha he banned me too. Neat. I called him gay or something.

[Sk8 Shorty's]

SBC dont know crap about skating, they have lame threads and posts, i hate it over there.

[Freaky Styley]

Lets not mention sites not worth mentioning please. Thanx guys.

[Sidewalksurfer]

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, like really do, but Fight was set up by a member of these forums, makes 3 different decks, including one pro model form one of it's pro's. Why should you compare it to Blueprint, a multi-million dollar/pound company, with 10+ pro's on the team and countless number of decks, and wheels and bearings and things like that. What I am basically trying to say is it's not a very big company, so doesn't have the best pro's in the world, and not a very big inventory of products, but don't get me wrong, from what I've seen/heard Josh is an amazing skater so, erm yeah coool...

[graphix]

fight! suck bunch of wanna be skaters for a team!! reason why Fight! is the rage. Dan a big supporter of the skating world. if you don't have money and you broke a board. he will take IOU intill you can get cash. for alot of kids still in schoolt thats awesome. they don't always have access to cash to get one on the spot. or even hold a little best trick contest off the box out of complet random. not many companys or shops will do that! so that is what sets Fight! above the rest.

[Poser Park]

fight! suck bunch of wanna be skaters for a team!! reason why Fight! is the rage. Dan a big supporter of the skating world. if you don't have money and you broke a board. he will take IOU intill you can get cash. for alot of kids still in schoolt thats awesome. they don't always have access to cash to get one on the spot. or even hold a little best trick contest off the box out of complet random. not many companys or shops will do that! so that is what sets Fight! above the rest.


That makes very little sense.

A suck up, maybe?

[Skate or Try]

that post had more contridictions that the bible, sheesh!

[360degrees]

That is a bigger contradiction that Microsft Works. (My favourite oxymoron)

[graphix]

That makes very little sense.

A suck up, maybe?

suck up? how so? i think i am the one of the few who doesn't ask for sponsorship or any free shit.

p.s. it was sarcasm about fight team sucks and company. kevin and dan are blast to skate with.

[McJesus]

That is a bigger contradiction that Microsft Works. (My favourite oxymoron)

yes i use imac and hate girly man bill gates, go 360 degreesx :cool:

[FIGHT!]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ***** Park
That makes very little sense.

A suck up, maybe?


suck up? how so? i think i am the one of the few who doesn't ask for sponsorship or any free shit.

p.s. it was sarcasm about fight team sucks and company. kevin and dan are blast to skate with.

A suck up? I think not dude, Joe is a good friend and my skate buddy. We ride together all the time dude, and he's right, he has never, once asked me for a thing for free or even discounted. Hes a stand up dude and a close friend of the FIGHT! family.

Please, lets not devolve into name calling, cause you know I'll win that contest ;)

p.s. Joe, I dont think you're sarcasm was detected at all man...

[graphix]

yea, lack of gay smaily faces!

[offthewallsk8er]

On the second page I noticed someone saying "cut Josh a share of the profits"
so is he actually getting checks, or what? I mean does anything besides a deck with your name come with being a professional for Fight?

[KBobb2009]

Wow...this thread's gotten huge in the matter of a couple days...

But anyway...it seems some people here that i've seen really like, worship fight! but those are the few...I dont think people should hate on fight! just because they dont have the best pros in the world...its still a small company from what i've seen, but I'd have to say its appears to be growing. It's kind of like thinking a musician or athlete is bad just because they made it somewhere...and thats what fight! has done. Of all these people with the empty threats of making their own company fight! took it to heart and actually made it somewhere.

Now I havent been here too long but I have seen some and this is based on what I've seen. Whether or not other people have different opinions then okay, say your side, but this is how I see these things

[FIGHT!]

On the second page I noticed someone saying "cut Josh a share of the profits"
so is he actually getting checks, or what? I mean does anything besides a deck with your name come with being a professional for Fight?

Yes, Josh is paid. The details of course are between us. But, he makes more than I do on a deck, I can tell you that.

Not too mention he has been on flow for almost a year already, at least 2 decks at a time, when he needs em.

[edward]

fight! suck bunch of wanna be skaters for a team!!

we know where you live and our people are on the way...

graphix i'm on my way to your house too... :D

[graphix]

graphix i'm on my way to your house too... :D

can you come another day, it's rainning. but your more then welcome to come by anytime and we can go kick dan and go skate :-3:

[FIGHT!]

^ lol, its thundering too, ya hear that there?

[graphix]

i thought that was my ass rumbling!

[edward]

rain, rain, rain. its raining here too...bummer.

[AlmostJeff]

It's thundering here too, but besides the point I don't mind fight! or josh or dan or anything. I was thinking about getting a fight! sooner or later just to see for myself if I liked them.

[FIGHT!]

rain, rain, rain. its raining here too...bummer.

Thats no excuse, go practice or we'll fire you too.
(insert reassuring smiley face here...)

And thanks Jeff, you won't be sorry if you do man.

Did I mention that RampRage ****in rules and everyone here (well mostly everyone) ROCKS!

RAMPRAGE OR DIE!

[edward]

haha don't worry dan i got out skating before the rain hit (or in between the rains i should say).

[360degrees]

Dave's FIGHT! is an awesome deck, I want one too.

[Tilly&theOllie]

Wait wait Josh is Feaky Styley wow that's pretty cool. I always thought that if you were sponsored ment you were a pro. Now I know that that if you have your own deck means you're pro.

[edward]

^ yeah theres usually 3 levels of sponsorship. theres pro, which is getting paid to skate for them, usually having a pro model deck or signature shoe. then theres am, or amature, which is getting free stuff pretty regularly and with bigger companies you usually get a small section in the video and do some touring with the team. then below that theres flow, you get free stuff, usually just not as often and if you sponsored by a bigger company then you don't do alot of traveling with the team, stay at your hometown and you might do a little demoing with the team if they come to your town, or nearby.

[WakeBake&Skate]

^ yeah theres usually 3 levels of sponsorship. theres pro, which is getting paid to skate for them, usually having a pro model deck or signature shoe. then theres am, or amature, which is getting free stuff pretty regularly and with bigger companies you usually get a small section in the video and do some touring with the team. then below that theres flow, you get free stuff, usually just not as often and if you sponsored by a bigger company then you don't do alot of traveling with the team, stay at your hometown and you might do a little demoing with the team if they come to your town, or nearby.
i always wondered how that all worked

[Tilly&theOllie]

^ yeah theres usually 3 levels of sponsorship. theres pro, which is getting paid to skate for them, usually having a pro model deck or signature shoe. then theres am, or amature, which is getting free stuff pretty regularly and with bigger companies you usually get a small section in the video and do some touring with the team. then below that theres flow, you get free stuff, usually just not as often and if you sponsored by a bigger company then you don't do alot of traveling with the team, stay at your hometown and you might do a little demoing with the team if they come to your town, or nearby.
Oh sweet thanks for the heads up dude. I always wondered what flow was, there are three skateshops that I got to and the one I go to most which is really big that have locations all Canada, anyway a year back they gave me a copy of there first dvd, it was some flow dvd which had there pro team and a lot of there flow riders.

[Ramp]