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bucksaw87
04-04-2008, 07:01 PM
Vert's dead. Again. It's just that this time, it's the X Games that say so.

On April 3, ESPN announced the biggest event shakeup since the inception of the X Games. As of this summer, vert, the oldest discipline in the Games, is out, and a new "SuperPark"-type discipline is in for the 14th year of competition.

"It's time. It's been time. ESPN's always a little slow on the uptake. It's no secret that the vert field has stayed the same for the last decade. It's no secret that there aren't any vert ramps for kids to ride outside Southern California. If you want a vert career, you have to move there," says X Games General Manager Chris Stiepock.

Vert's TV ratings on ESPN have diminished every year for the last four years. Quiksilver, Red Bull USA and Vans have all moved away from pure vert to events favoring different kinds of transition skating (Mini Mania, Bowlriders Series, Pro-Tec Pool Party, to name a few).

The depth of the talent pool has diminished, too. 70 per cent of last year's field was 30 or older, and over a third of these skateboarders have been competing since '95.


Skateboarding has been steadily outgrowing vert—going Mega, Hollywood and boosting bigger than China since the early '00s—but to get to SuperPark, you have to know where vert's been.

Having survived two deaths already (mid-'60s, late-'80s), skateboarding seemed positioned for longevity in its third life. But as the popularity and profitability of ramp skating began to taper off after its zenith in the '80s, vert took a back seat to street—Powell lost Peralta, Vision was Blindsided by Gonz and megastar Mark "Gator" Rogowski murdered and raped his ex's best friend.

As street skating rose above ground and blossomed, the early '90s vert recession hit transition skaters hard. Tony Hawk, who bought his first house at 17, sold his second house at 23. Christian Hosoi, on the lam since '95, spent five years in prison after getting caught with a pound and a half of meth at the Honolulu airport.

At the same time, Big Brother Mag laid the groundwork for future Jackasses, pant legs were super-sized, Gonz kickflipped the Embarcadero gap and some of the best videos of all time were made.

But then, in '95, a few vert careers were given a new breath with the advent of the X Games. Vert standards like Tony Hawk and Steve Caballero not only competed against Ed Templeton and Geoff Rowley in the event's first park contest, but their then-forgotten vert skills were also broadcast into millions of homes.


Tony Hawk invented more than 80 tricks. I'm not sure I can even count that high.


Vert had found a new home. A home that grew in '99 when Hawk, with 80-plus tricks and 100-plus contests under his belt since turning pro at age 16, nailed skateboarding's first 900—his holy grail—and threw in the competitive towel for good.

"It was another barrier smashed—something we thought we'd never see in skateboarding. Now Sandro Dias does them in contest runs. Danny Mayer does kickflip McTwists in his run. Vert progression is endless," says Andy Macdonald, who has competed at every X Games since the event's inception.

Despite the overnight success of the 900, wheels were still shrinking and things bigger than vert were on the horizon: Hawk formed the Loop Club in '96 (although Duane Peters was the first to flip gravity the bird), Danny Way bomb dropped out of a helicopter in '97 (and later, conceived the Mega Ramp and jumped over the Great Wall of China), Dreamland Skateparks built the first concrete cradle in 2001 and a snowboarder won the X Games—the world's highest paying vert contest—in 2007.



On paper, moving away from vert and embracing something new like Superpark makes sense. When you go session a spot with your boys, is it a loop? Is it a Megaramp? Is it the Great Friggin' Wall of China? Is it ... wait for it ... a vert ramp?

Your answer is probably no, but if you're lucky, rich or famous enough to have a vert ramp in your back yard, good for you. Can I come over?


The Flying Animal hasn't stuck his 10 when the landing isn't white, but he still gets 14 medals for his efforts.


So where is vert still thriving? The Carlsbad Men's Club scene is off the hook: Bob Burnquist's backyard is ever-growing, DC has a private ramp, Vans Orange, Chula Vista and the Claremont and Encinitas Y's all have vert ramps. Planning a Cali road trip? You'll find them listed under private, private, pay, pay, pay, pay.

On the other side of the country, the Skatepark of Tampa is still "keeping the dream alive," says SPoT founder Brian Schaefer. "We started the park in '93 with a vert ramp and a pyramid, and it stimulated our whole park at the time. It's a necessity to have all elements of skateboarding be a part of our contest."

"Compared with parks, it's hard to find a vert ramp. With the creative park designs going on nowadays, the X Games and World Cup haven't really created ramps that are with the times," explains 6-time X Games vert competitor Omar Hassan. "I don't really rely on vert. I love to do it, but for me personally, there's so much other stuff out there. I can see why they're doing it—to reinvent the whole thing, which will be really good."

Good, indeed. It's 2008, and chances are that somewhere near Your Town, USA, there's a skatepark. There are more than 4,000 of them worldwide, after all. You might even skate there, since there are nearly 50 million skateboarders on the planet who classify themselves as street or park skaters (95% of all skateboarders). Your park may even have an oververt section, but it likely has no public vert ramp, since there are only a few dozen left standing.

"With the skating at skateparks all over the world not being true street or true vert, we want to honor the huge segment of that population that's being ignored. Kids will be able to watch the X Games skateboarding competition for SuperPark and see pros on the same obstacles that they might be able to ride at their local park," says Stiepock.

But the million-dollar question remains: What exactly is this "SuperPark?" One part Black Pearl, one part Shanghai, with an inflection of Burnside? The X Games dudes in charge are still working it out, but they know a few things for certain—this can't be just another park, and rider input on course design is paramount. "Essentially," says Stiepock, "we're going to have to build a killer concrete park out of Skatelite."





A killer concrete park doesn't sound half bad, considering the types of features that can be constructed. Take the volcanoes, spines, tombstones, cradles, capsules, full pipes that litter the Pacific Northwestern landscape. Or the "igloo" recently installed in Irrigon, Oregon. Project Manager James Kilnedinst explains the thinking involved with an industry innovator like Grindline Skateparks, "Really, the only limitations are those of skateboarders and physics, and we're pushing those as much as we can. In every park we do, there's something we haven't done before. A lot of the time, it's something that hasn't been done in a skatepark—or with concrete, period."

The problem with innovative skateparks at the X Games, however, is that they're not made for vert tricks. "There are tricks you can do on a vert ramp that you can't do anywhere else. I can promise you there will be no 900s going on on the Superpark course—guaranteed," says Macdonald.

For a straight up vert dog whose livelihood depends on vert, losing the U ramp has the potential to be bogus. Pierre Luc Gagnon, 6-time X Games medalist and winner of this year's Tampa Pro vert contest contends, "I'm not just going to let vert go. Adding park is good, but they shouldn't replace vert. They're two different events. Vert is a stepping-stone to the Megaramp. How will we secure a future for Megaramp?"

Pat Duffy shows what can be done when you put concrete on an island like Bainbridge.


Macdonald contends that vert doesn't have to, and shouldn't be, nixed. "The solution is a format change. Change it to a jam format so there are guys skating for a half hour straight and it's not like a golf match. The execs at ESPN want to do away with the one discipline in all the sports that's been there since day one, stood the test of time and contained every big moment in X Games history. The 900, Mat Hoffman's no-handed 900 and Kevin Robinson's double flair were all on the vert ramp. They're blowing it, and we're going to miss out on those moments."

Ultimately, the X Games is about progression, or so ESPN says, and progression is a warm feeling of accomplishment that's unlike anything else.

But you know what? Skateboarding is still super fun when you don't learn anything new and suck at it. And you can do that anywhere, even in a superpark.
blah...i really enjoyed watching vert.
but is this a sign of impending doom for skateboarding?

mcwattersm
04-04-2008, 07:14 PM
I didn't read it all cause its super long, but I really liked watching vert. I feel bad for guys like Bob Burinquist and Danny Way who've really done amazing things with vert ramps, because X-Games was their time to shine. Not saying they can't compete any more, but frankly they really don't stack up against P-Rod, or anyone else, street skating wise.

IdiotProof
04-04-2008, 07:50 PM
I tl;dr'd that article. This is ridiculous, though. The poll on expn before had more than 80% saying vert was good. At least some of the vert skaters can do the MegaRamp. The Xgames isn't what it used to be.

skaterat
04-04-2008, 07:54 PM
THIS JUST IN.... Andy MacDonald has just comited suicide. Aparently the recent news that Vert is Dead reached him at a bad time. His death seamed to be caused by a large dose of wheat grass and ex-lax.

If you know a vert skater in your life, call them and let them know everything is going to be OK.... before its too late.

marleyfan0
04-04-2008, 07:58 PM
^^^^^^^^ where did you hear that?

IdiotProof
04-04-2008, 08:00 PM
^^^^^^^^ where did you hear that?
He made it up. It was a joke.

Oh, and now I know why they canceled vert. They canceled it because they wanted a new event called "SuperPark".

Sk8 Shorty's
04-04-2008, 08:35 PM
Yeah I heard/read that yesterday, it sucks a lot. I really enjoyed watching vert to and so did a lot of other people I know. Sucks that they took it away.

Sk8 Or DiE
04-04-2008, 10:04 PM
didnt read more then the title of the thread, shits too long. i really didnt like watching the vert anyway, not a vert skater/fan at all. street/park is takin over

bucksaw87
04-04-2008, 10:16 PM
next stop:

downhill skateboarding and luge!


...i wish

China Skate
04-04-2008, 10:36 PM
It's all about the money..

skateblank714
04-04-2008, 10:56 PM
mo money mo bitches

Juwanna Blomie
04-05-2008, 01:02 AM
money makes the world go round, and im kind of happy for andy mcdonald who needs to stop skating before he permanently breaks his body, he is like 900 years old and no offense but he sucks.

yoda_emo
04-05-2008, 02:18 AM
sucks if vert goes
I enjoy watching it in comps...

bucksaw87
04-05-2008, 02:25 AM
thing is, they aren't getting any new talent into the vert scene...the people who are winning, have been winning since 95. that's the same reason why they dropped DH and luge back in 99...all the people are "old" and that's not tapping into the youth market. so, i really can't say as i blame them. if we could get more of sheckler or mike mo or cooper wilt into the vert scene, and keep the lineup constantly flowing, then it would stay.

but, the superpark they're gonna replace it with sounds really interesting

i'd be curious to hear frontside_slapp or skaterat's serious viewpoints on this subject

snow_skate
04-05-2008, 02:32 AM
It was fun while it lasted. Bob Burnquist is still my hero when I frist saw him on vert and then met him.

I first watched the x-games when tony hawk did that 900. good times.

zoo_yorker_rep'
04-05-2008, 02:45 AM
That kind of sucks. I'm not really into vert. I dont even watch it with much interest. But its part of skateboarding roots. Its like forgetting your heritage completely. It should be preserved.

jcsethi
04-05-2008, 02:48 AM
IMO thank god everytime the x games skateboarding was on TV it was only vert and I hated it b/c i always had to buy the street stuff on Itunes so i could watch it. I really don't like vert it gets really boring IMO

please
04-05-2008, 02:49 AM
Hmmmmm....
I have to agree that not many new people are coming into vert, and rather going straight into street.
Sucks, because as just said vert was one of the origins of skating I believe. That or it's been there for ages.
Hmmm... bummer I enjoy watching it on Dew Tour and X-Games and such.

giantsfan7791
04-05-2008, 02:52 AM
yeah, chris cole is getting into vert, and shaun white is huge, but not many people are starting up. no, i think this is just gonna mark a shift towards street skating and establish that as the new foundation of skating. Street will become much more popular to the mainstream and may influence the public's views.

TrAnCe
04-05-2008, 05:45 AM
does this mean the X-Games said no more vert JUST BECAUSE skateboarding has a street trend these days? I knew they were only in it for the money from the start..

Sk8 Shorty's
04-07-2008, 04:06 AM
Kind of late but... I went to skatedaily.net and saw this and it's a response to why it was canceled.

This news just in via the official website of the X Games. ESPN has announced this afternoon that they have canceled Vert from this summer’s X Games 14 in favor of a newer discipline known as SuperPark. In addition to citing poor TV ratings, a lack of widely available vert ramps for enthusiasts and an aging talent pool of vert competitors, X Games General Manager Chris Stiepock offered, “With the skating at skateparks all over the world not being true street or true vert, we want to honor the huge segment of that population that’s being ignored. Kids will be able to watch the X Games skateboarding competition for SuperPark and see pros on the same obstacles that they might be able to ride at their local park.”

BenBanned
04-07-2008, 04:16 AM
Well if all skateboarders were to boycott the x-games I wonder if they would even care. I couldnt see the parks being empty during the x-games.

JoeyKovacs
04-08-2008, 04:18 PM
am i the only one wondering WTF a "super" park is?

bucksaw87
04-08-2008, 08:08 PM
am i the only one wondering WTF a "super" park is?
it's basically a park, but with a lot of emphasis on transition skating

J-Eazy
04-08-2008, 08:45 PM
YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!
No offence to anyone i hate vert..

street 4 me! :)

Slyde
04-08-2008, 09:23 PM
To me it's a straight up bummer.

Vert is the essence of skateboarding, and I really can't stand how X-Games is just swaying with the crowd. I'm sure a balance can be met between both.

MeLike2Skate
04-09-2008, 08:52 PM
i dont give a shit, the x-games are gay.

phatcat600
07-31-2008, 09:47 AM
Man I don't have a vert ramp to skate but I sure wish it would get popular again so they would build one. Its hard to enjoy watching it on TV but if you've ever seen a pro vert skater in person you would understand that it is absolutely humbling and unfathomable.

TrAnCe
07-31-2008, 11:58 AM
^^piss offff dude, I thought they cancelled it again. this thread is 4 moths old!

I get what you mean though, vert kicks anal.

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