What do you think of 2012??

[AWS201211]

I was just wanting to know how many people believe in the December, 21 2012? And for the people who don't know what it is search it on google.

[Greenday]

I usually think about it for about 5 minutes then I forget about it and get on with my life.

[TrAnCe]

secretly, i do

[crazy_dave]

Nah, about 2 years ago i would've. But my views are just so logical now that i cant see anything happening.

[R-dude]

I had a dream once that the world was gonna end. It was on the news and everything and complete hell broke loose and people were saying goodbye and I remember just walking off and chilling on a bench thinking it was useless do do anything worthwhile if I'd be dead within a few hours....because once I'd be dead I wouldn't care about what the hell I'd have done

Anyway, back to the real world: I don't believe we will all die on december 21st 2012.

[blind2d]

Of course we won't all die! I'VE built a shelter!

[partlymental]

Haha thats a bunch of bull. Noone can predict when we all die and if they do who gives a crap? Not like we are immortal, and live forever .

[bucksaw87]

we already had a thread about this, didn't we?

[psychoguitarist]

I believe nothing will hapen just like 666, even though biblical scholars have admitted that they got the date wrong and the actual day is 616, so the majority of the media missed the apocalypse by 5 days, oh wait there wasn't one. Anyway the way i interpret the 2012 phenom is that the mayan calender, which was incredibly accurate...i've been to xel ha in mexico during the summer solstice and have seen the sun come through a tiny little opening in the rock and land directly on a rock calender, shit was tight. Anyways their calender ends in 2012, maybe that just means the end of the cycle of their time, like the chinese zodiac which restarts every 12 years, maybe we will reach a new understanding regarding our climate and finally turn our world around. The moment of realization may be then, when we stop the unsustainable lifestyle we've come to know, or maybe the ice caps will melt and millions will die, only time will tell.

[AWS201211]

yea. and maybe the Mayans just got tired of making a calender and just thought to end it there. I mean their all dead. They didn't have to worry about.

[Griptape Flip]

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, omg!!!!!

[AdioBird52]

it's always in the back of my mind that it COULD happen, but the world COULD end tomorrow for all we know. Hell, it could end right now.

[Amberjhons]

The world is changing evereyday,we can't change what must happen.I think the only thing we can and must do now is cherish what we have and try our best to do what we must do .

[TheCheese]

I honestly think nothing will happen but I guess there's a possibility something could happen. Who knows?

[psychoguitarist]

yea. and maybe the Mayans just got tired of making a calender and just thought to end it there. I mean their all dead. They didn't have to worry about.

So the Mayans knew that their civilization would end? If they actually knew this then maybe we should all be worried. Anyway it's not like they're all dead anyway, just because the empire of Rome is dead, are Romans dead? No, the Mayan bloodline is largely present in South America, just as Roman bloodline is present in Southern Italy.

[HiImLacey]

I think it's bullshit just like Y2K but hey at least I will be 21 for 5 months eh

[StevoElSupremo]

this world is not going to end on the 21'st 2012, at least not by natural causes(lol)... there is no planet X colliding with us and we are not going to experience a polar shift that will flip the world and we are most certainly NOT going to be over taken by an alien Race... My Physics Professor went on a rant about this, and thats the thing about believing in science and not religion, you dont need to HOPE for an answer, you already know for certain so you may sleep easy children.

the end of the mayan calendar marks the end of an age, (I believe it was aquarius) they didnt start a new calendar for the new age because they hadent finnished making up the new days and cycles on the new calendar before they were all masacarred, but dont worry folks were not going anywhere any time soon (until the super virus whipes us out or some unatural cause finds its way to cease out existance)

Put your "faith" in science and you wont have to ever hope or prey again because you will already know whats going to happen

[blind2d]

Scientific evidence can always be faked.

[psychoguitarist]

this world is not going to end on the 21'st 2012, at least not by natural causes(lol)... there is no planet X colliding with us and we are not going to experience a polar shift that will flip the world and we are most certainly NOT going to be over taken by an alien Race... My Physics Professor went on a rant about this, and thats the thing about believing in science and not religion, you dont need to HOPE for an answer, you already know for certain so you may sleep easy children.

the end of the mayan calendar marks the end of an age, (I believe it was aquarius) they didnt start a new calendar for the new age because they hadent finnished making up the new days and cycles on the new calendar before they were all masacarred, but dont worry folks were not going anywhere any time soon (until the super virus whipes us out or some unatural cause finds its way to cease out existance)

Put your "faith" in science and you wont have to ever hope or prey again because you will already know whats going to happen

While i agree with your general premise about the importance of rationalism, i have to disagree with your key points. The fact is the only poeple who in their mind are certain of the universe is people who truly believe in a religion. Science is founded based on the thought that at any moment any theory or law could be indiscriminately disproves. Einstein didn't believe his own theory of relativity until he tested it extensively. The fact is there is no way to know what is going to happen, and in some of the great breakthroughs of science in the 20th century primarily Quantum Mechanics it becomes a fact that one cannot even observe the universe exactly, therefore no original condition can be stated and no future references can be made. The hard evidence for this statement is that the most unobtrusive means of calulating an objects mass is to "shine" photons on it, but to measure it exactly one causes a change in the object's velocity. To measure the velocity to a sure degree you must give up some certainty of its mass, to measure its mass to a sure degree one must give up some certainty of its velocity. Quite the condundrum, in that this seems to be an insurmountable obstacle which will not be overcome unless the rules of matter and energy are bent, but this is fathomable in that in some instances a particale being sucked into a black hole creates enough thrust for its antiparticle to escape a black hole, and this small aspect of string theory is an impossibility when referring to black holes, but it has and does happen, so it's hard to say what is and is not possible. Ultimately my point was that there may not be a perfect theory of Quantum Relativity in which the laws of Relativity (Gravity) can work together with those of Quantum Mechanics because in some ways these theories are contradictory. So in actuality no real scientist or anyone for that matter can ever know exactly what is going to occur, science is not absolute it is merely our best guess based on logical reasoning and what seems to be patterns in the universe. However given the vastness of the universe, which is actually quite hard to fathom all the results we've observed are but a fraction of the actual sample space of all events that have happened, and thus we've unavoidably left our science to chance. Just an fyi im not talking out my ass this opinion is based of books i've read by Einstein and Stephen Hawkings.

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1. Philosophy
1. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence.

[TheWickedEnd]

Mayans ran out of ink and got lazy?

[R-dude]

You know we may actually all get fucked in 2012. The sun has this cycle in which the shit it ejaculates from it's whatchamacallits is more intense than usual. Causes these bad solar storms and everything, but the earths magnetic field bitchslaps them away. It has happened though that they penetrated mother earth real bad and caused northern lights as far south as Rome.

This happened in 1843 or something and back then it wasn't a big deal because there wasn't any electrickery. If it were to happen now though it would basically cause a global blackout.....we would be majorly screwed if we lost all electricity. Point is that in 2012 the sun is reaching another one of it's peaks in it's cycle and there is a possibility there may be another storm like the one in 1843(y'know it might have been in the 1850's....)

But no worries, there is an actual department in a weather centre that monitors "solar weather". Basically guys staring at shit to do with the sun to see if it starts throwing shit at us......So if it does happen that we all lose our electricity in 2012 you'll probably hear about it a few hours before it happens (a storm that powerful takes about 18 hours to get from the sun to the earth.....pretty crazy seeing as how our best spaceships would take years to get there)

[psychoguitarist]

That sounds plausible but we would be fine without electricity for say a day or so, the only things i can think of are hospitals and banks that would have issues. Hey if something like a solar storm comes our way (hopefully not the type in the movie "Knowing") and it wasn't liek a huge death toll I'd be kinda psyched to have experienced it.

[R-dude]

Well I'm kind've guessing even a day would be pretty bad. A lot of the food in freezers and fridges will go bad and I think people would pretty much freak out due to all lines of communications being down and not knowing when they'd be up again. If you think about it it'd be scary....the only contact you'd be capable of is walking down the street and speaking to the people there, nothing else.


....Although I wouldn't mind seeing the northern lights while chilling in my back garden...

[Sk8 Shorty's]

I can't see anything happening. The way I see it, it's just like the Avian flu, the SARS pandemic, the Swine Flu, and Y2K. All media hyped bull shit used to scare people.
It's all hyped.